Kimberly’s Journey: From Trauma to Triumph

Welcome back to another episode of the Drug Prevention Power Hour. I’m your host, Jake White, and today we are spending some time with Kimberly Clark. And Kimberly Clark is an award-winning Navy veteran, bestselling offer, and recognized expert in emotional intelligence with over a decade of lived experience in addressing trauma and addiction.

Through her books, Stuck Between Pleasure and Pleasing God and Making Up Your Mindset, Kimberly offers practical insights on healing, resilience, and personal growth. As a peer support specialist for the Department of Health, certified in suicide intervention, she is dedicated to empowering individuals to overcome life’s challenges and embrace their God-given purpose, making her a sought after speaker and leader in her field.

She has also trained in martial arts for Brazilian jiu-jitsu since 2018. So Kimberly, thanks for spending some time with me today. Yeah. And so we met because one of our past guests, Brittany Richmond, got us connected in this group of awesome speakers and Absolutely, thanks for having me, I’m excited. What I love about it is we share just great stuff, right? Sometimes we share our faith, we share our passion for helping young people. And you just bring, you bring such a light to the group and such a humble passion to say like, hey, here’s what I’ve been through. Here’s my gift. I want to share it. So Kimberly, if you can just tell us that short story, that version of how you got into the work that you’re doing today, and then we’ll dive in and we’ll teach some people about resilience.

Awesome, awesome, yeah, for sure. So I grew up in Caster, Louisiana, which is a really, really, really small town, right? It’s really considered a village. And so I was, I really didn’t like who I was. I didn’t like myself. I was bullied a lot, picked on a lot. And so I ended up joining the military, joining the Navy at 17 years old and got stationed in Guam of all places. I actually loved it, right? I thrived.

Yes, I thrived in the Navy got the love and acceptance that I wanted. And I ended up enduring a MST, which is a military sexual trauma. And so after that MST, I ended up trying to commit suicide and my life just took a downhill from there. I got medevaced back to the States after that. And two weeks after I got a medical discharge from the Navy, I was introduced to cocaine.

And so that introduction was like five minutes maybe. And that took me down a road of 13 years of addiction in and out of jail, in and out of rehab, in and out of psych ward, doing all those things. so, yeah, that story and finding myself, how to love myself brought me to where I am today. Yeah.

Dang, when you said a five minute introduction to something like cocaine in your example led to 13 years of addiction and probably all new sorts of trauma, right? Like you already had trauma in your life. And then on top of that, it strikes me because working with young people like we do, we hear about, Hey, I’m facing this. And I turned to a substance to try to escape the trauma realizing that we’re opening up the door to more or to different or increased different things like that. So dang, thank you for your gift. Thank you for sharing it and that you’re using that story and that vulnerability to help others. Cause I think there’s something that happens in the prevention field and intervention field is people can sometimes shy away from their story or where they’ve been, but students connect with stories and they want to know that you’ve been where they’ve been and that you came out on the other side. so, especially for things like restorative practices and interventions, like that’s a key piece to connecting and showing someone that they could do it too. So tell us about your work right now.

What kind of things are you doing? What’s your expertise? Like your bio, you have a great bio. So kind of did that, but like day to day, maybe a couple of things that you’ve done recently that you, you want to share with us.

Empowering Through Peer Support

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So I work in peer support as well. So I do work with youth with peer support, but I also work with adults who’s in recovery, as well as of course, being a national speaker day to day. I speak, of course, but I also help out in the community with different youth that are at risk. I’ve worked with different schools, different local schools, schools all over Louisiana as well as some colleges, but mainly my focus is middle school and high school students. But my main thing is teaching them like my five keys to resilience. And these keys is, it’s something that I literally just sat down one day and thought about, okay, what helped me the most? Like what brought me out of all my chaos, all my emotional turmoil the most? Like what can I really give back to these kids that will really help them. That’s not cliche. That’s not, you know what I’m saying? Something that they could just gonna listen to and just tune right out of. I want to really, really help them in an authentic way. And so I wrote down these five keys and man, like they really, really identify and resonate with it literally everywhere that I go. Yeah.

Wow, okay, that’s cool. So you have five keys to resilience or building resilience.

Cool, let’s talk about that. Let’s dive in. What are the five keys?

The Five Keys to Resilience

Absolutely, absolutely. Okay, so the first one is developing EQ, which is emotional intelligence. Number two is risk taking and vulnerability. Number three is authenticity and loving yourself. Four is building a strong support system. And then five is problem solving. Yeah. Okay.

Okay, let’s dive into those. So number one, say that one again. What’s number one?

Number one is developing emotional intelligence. Yeah.

All right, if I’m new and I’m like emotional intelligence, I’ve never heard that before. Like, what are you talking about?

Right, right. So emotional intelligence is basically like regulating our emotions, being aware of our emotions, being aware of our triggers, what makes us trigger, what makes us angry, makes us anxious, all of those different things, right? Just being aware of those things, learning how to manage them, learning how to manage how we react to other people, how we make other people feel is literally all about our emotions. And that was the biggest thing for me because my emotions were always all over the place and I had no, I thought I was just, I thought I was weak. I thought I was sensitive. I used all those words when I used to tell myself that I was too self-critical about who I was. And I just didn’t realize that I just didn’t know how to manage my emotions well, that I wasn’t weak, right? I wasn’t too self-critical, right? I didn’t know how to manage what was going on with me. I didn’t know how to identify the emotions that was going on with me.

And so when I really looked at those emotions and was like, okay, cool. I can come up with a plan whenever these things happen. wow. Like that just took away a whole lot of the drama that I put myself in and that was in my head. Yeah.

Hey, I am all for less drama. that emotional intelligence or did you say EQ? that what people. Yeah, EQ, EQ. It’s the same thing. EQ is just like the shorter version is what they say, but yeah, emotional intelligence, yeah.

Okay. I remember taking, probably the first time that I remember doing it, taking like a strength test or understanding your personality that it, I don’t know if emotional intelligence was a term that was popularized yet, but I remember taking one of these in college saying like, yeah, Jake, you love excitement and adventure and new things. but on the flip side, like you are, you’re not very necessarily empathetic or you don’t have many deep, deep relationships. And I remember thinking like, man, that’s so rude. Like, why would you say that about me? This, this test. but it was so accurate. And when I learned about EQ, it kind of taught me as well as, a lot of those things where.

I might be tempted to create drama or get upset was when I was getting too deep because my personality isn’t wanting to do that yet. I’d almost like tell myself, is this someone I want to go deep with or not? Or is this the environment right for us to do it? Because if it’s not, my legs start shaking, my brain, like my body gets hot.

Today, it’s sometimes even is just little things like someone is taking over a meeting and they’re talking too long. And I’m like, this isn’t great for the function or for everyone in the meeting. And I feel socially responsible for this, this atrocity or whatever, like, like those little triggers or little things that get me on my hot buttons. so that, like you said, all right, well, Jake, check yourself because this isn’t, isn’t it in your meeting.

Like, you don’t have any ownership over this, calm down. And it’s okay for this stuff to happen. So I can relate to what you’re saying a little bit and even very recently, Like emotional intelligence. Okay. How do you think, do young people learn emotional intelligence or like how, how can we teach emotional intelligence to young people?

Teaching Emotional Intelligence to Youth

You think they learn it enough. I don’t think they know exactly what it is. I think we as adults, think we, because we’re just now learning it, we’re just now getting used to the whole mental health era to where we’re just now being, this is just now being accepted. So we’re just now learning ourselves. And so we’re also trying to teach them as well.

But I believe like if we were to intentionally teach them emotional intelligence, what I mean by that is have like different workshops, have different lessons, have different like virtual sessions or in-person sessions specifically for emotional intelligence is worth it. Like that’s worth taking out an hour, three hours, whatever out of your day to teach these students about this because this is something that they can carry on for the rest of their life. Most adults don’t know how to do EQ, how to develop EQ, right? How to implement it in our everyday lives. And so if we can teach teens where they at right now, think of how much better, you know, the next generation will be when it comes to handling situations, knowing how to solve problems, knowing how to, you know, take care of their anxiety, knowing how to ask for help and not feel ashamed about it, right? Knowing how to speak up for themselves, knowing how to set boundaries for themselves. Because that all goes into emotional intelligence. And so I think intentionally, teaching them with intention is really, really, really going to help this next generation for sure.

Yeah. And there’s almost an awareness you can teach a young person of an emotion is not a bad thing. It’s a signal to you that maybe something’s off or needs to change, or some emotions are things are great right now, right? It’s like an emotion is communicating something to you. So let’s recognize.

I’m doing a journaling activity to say, Hey, can you remember the last time you got really upset? What happened right before then? Why did that make you upset? Has there been other circumstances? So you can start to realize the patterns that we develop and say, that’s just my personality. That’s how I’m wired. and I either love that, keep that, or I’m going to practice doing something different because I don’t love the way I responded. What are some other ones? Or like you said, maybe I need to draw some of those boundaries to make sure that I don’t experience that because that’s not really good for me. What is, you mentioned the second one, recap that for me, what’s number two?

The Importance of Vulnerability and Risk-Taking

Yeah, number two is risk taking and vulnerability.

Ooh, tell me more. Prevention, I’m like risky behavior, no way. Then you say vulnerability, I’m like, okay, maybe that’s helpful, but tell us more about risk taking and vulnerability, how it helps build resilience or why it’s part of the picture.

Absolutely, absolutely. think there is like bad risk taking and there’s good risk taking, right? And so we need to teach what that positive risk taking is. And that goes along with vulnerability because if we embrace being vulnerable, then we can be our authentic self. If we can’t embrace our vulnerability, who we really are, then we’re not going to step out and see what our potential is by doing things that we’ve never done before.

And that’s where the risk taking comes in at, right? Because we have to step out and get out of our comfort zone and do something we’ve never done before to see what we’re really good at. I would have never found out I was good at jujitsu until I actually tried it, right? I thought I weighed too much, right? I thought I’m too short. I got to grapple against all these taller people, all these bigger, they got so many muscles. They’ve been doing this for years. I’m like, yeah, like you can develop that too. But that’s what risk taking and vulnerability is all about. It’s about you loving who you are, authentically embracing being vulnerable, not being ashamed to be exactly who you are and not trying to fit in or anything like none of that crap, right? Being vulnerable, being exactly who you are, stepping out, figuring out who you are, your real potential, because you will be surprised at the things that you’re good at and how well-rounded you really are that one thing I’ve learned actually from doing this podcast, getting to meet incredible people like yourself and learning from you is that during the adolescent brain development, there’s a stage usually around middle school where we’re looking to form our identity.

And when I hear you say vulnerability and risk taking, I think of all those risks we take in middle school. You’re trying different clothes, different hairstyles. I remember in middle school, I changed my laugh because I heard someone else laugh. I was like, Ooh, I like that. I’m going to try that. You’re just trying out all these different things and it’s a risk and it’s a healthy risk. Uh, and you’re trying different things to see what you like and you’re right. The vulnerability, it becomes a skill of risk taking because you’re not consumed about what everyone else thinks about you. You’re more consumed about discovering yourself. And as you do that, you can build that confidence. like, yeah, I see it. see it. Like, even when you think about adolescent development, is your stages are fitting right in there and vulnerability seems tough because we do want to fit in.

But let me ask you this, do you have an opinion or like something you’ve seen of why young people would, why they would not take risks or why they would not be vulnerable things that I’ve seen with some reasons why young people don’t want to take risks is out of fear, basically. Out of fear or they don’t see the people that they want to be like doing it to. They don’t want to be the first ones to do it. And so it all comes back to fear. It all comes back to not believing in themselves and not believing that even if I don’t get this right the first time, it’s not a failure. It’s a lesson. And so having that mind, flipping their mindset.

Flipping their perspective on what that looks like will literally take away their fear. But definitely fear is the bottom line when it comes to not wanting to take risks, for sure.

Yeah, I love that. Okay, cool. What was number three for resilience?

Authenticity and Self-Love

Number three is authenticity and loving yourself.

Uh-uh. Preach to me. Preach to me. Yeah, why? Why?

Yeah. Absolutely. So this kind of, this ties in, I’m seeing how like all of these are kind of like tying into you. This is literally the first time I’ve seen this, but the authenticity actually like ties into the vulnerability and the risk taking as well. Cause you can’t love yourself unless you’re your authentic self, right? And you can’t be your authentic self unless you’re able to be vulnerable.

You know what I mean? And get away from that fear. Only way to do that is to develop that emotional intelligence. But yeah, number three, authenticity and loving yourself. Definitely you have to get to that place where you don’t care about what nobody else thinks. I’ve made more authentic relationships, authentic friendships by being my, just being myself, flaws and all, messed up and all.

Just being exactly who I am, I’ve made more authentic, real, genuine relationships just by being that person. And I’m able to look at myself like, man, I’m human. Humans make mistakes, right? And still love yourself anyway. And that love is gonna radiate, right? People are gonna be able to tell. There’s gonna be a whole new confidence that you have that just flows off of you whenever you get to that point. But definitely authenticity and loving yourself go hand in hand for sure.

Kimberly, can I tell you a story?

So first two years of college, I had decided I wasn’t going to use drugs, wasn’t going to drink and smoke because I felt confident in myself. thought, Hey, throughout middle school, high school, I had great friends. had so much fun. have awesome hobbies. I’m going to protect my myself and I’d lost some family to addiction. I’ve seen them struggle and I felt confident.

Then I went into this new environment and this tended to happen, right? When I switched schools in high school, there was a moment of vulnerability where I feel like I just, lost my confidence. I wasn’t myself. I just retreated. went back. College was different because I went in and I just dove in. Like I had a moment where I was like, I need to assimilate. I need to be like everybody else.

But I remembered back in high school and said, no, I can’t do that again. I can’t waste a year of my life pretending to be someone else. But slowly what happened was I started feeling so weird that I didn’t drink and smoke because most other people did. In fact, all the people I met, I thought that they did. I was the only person that was like me. And my confidence kind of dwindled.

I started being less authentic. didn’t, I questioned why I loved myself. I was like, maybe Jake, you got it wrong because are you saying everyone else here is crazy? and like, you’re the one who’s got it right. And it started to dwindle. thinking what’s wrong with me. And there, there was a moment where, I read the statistic that there was more students out there like me.

that chose not to drink and smoke for whatever reason, right? I didn’t know, but I read the statistic and it was kind of freeing, but I didn’t realize it. And you might know the end of my story, right? Of throwing these drug-free parties and events all across the country.

But the beginning was so tough because I was scared. I was so scared that, once I tell people who I am and that I don’t drink and smoke on like a larger scale, enough to throw these drug-free parties, what if people hate me and what if they stop inviting me to things? What if they’re threatened by my lifestyle? And cause that’s kind of like what I had seen before. And I think there’s, like you said, everything’s connected.

And that vulnerability started with the fear of what people were going to think. But there’s also the fear of what if I just give in to what everybody wants? What will my life become? There’s a fear of being yourself and what other people will think. And then there’s also a healthy fear. And I’ll encourage anybody who’s listening to this. Shouldn’t we be more scared of fitting into a world that we don’t even like then be scared of being ourself and maybe the world doesn’t like us as much.

Yeah, I don’t know if that was, I don’t talk that deep. So I’m kind of talking over on my own. Like, did that make sense? I don’t really know. But all I know is that I was scared. And like you had said, my life got way better after I started throwing those parties. In fact, behind me, you can see this picture of a magnet. I use this image when I talk to young people. I’m like, Hey, I know you’re scared of standing out and becoming a leader because maybe people won’t like what you stand for. But the cool thing is you become a magnet and a magnet does not just one thing, but two. It attracts and it repels. You’re going to attract the right people and you’re going to repel the wrong people and life gets easier. Yeah, it’s good. It’s really good. So love yourself. Was there, Kimberly, was there a moment because you told us about how tough it was growing up and the trauma that you had in the military. Was there a moment when you knew you could love yourself and you gave yourself permission to do that?

Yeah, yeah. When I looked at everything that happened in my life, this was late 2020. So I’ve been sober since January 3rd, 2021. And so I looked at everything that I had done in a real genuine way. And I’m like, if I don’t stop running, I’ma die getting high. I’ma die out here doing this. And this is not how I wanna leave.

And so I had to take a really honest look at myself, the things that happened in my life, things that wasn’t my fault and the things that was, the things that I did, you know? And I had to practice some acceptance. And when I started accepting the things that happened in my life, instead of trying to run from it, because you can’t run from it, right? When I started accepting that it happened, but it didn’t kill me, like I’m still alive. I’m still here and it’s apparently for a purpose. That’s when I start to love myself.

That’s when I started to develop the right tools to love myself. You know what I mean? And so it definitely took some honesty and some acceptance of things that happened. can’t, it already happened. I can’t change that it happened. I just have to accept that it did, learn from it and continue to move forward.

Dang, that’s so good. And I love that you use the word practice. I don’t know if you caught it, but you said I needed to practice accepting myself or loving myself or learning. Like, love that word. It’s not, it’s sometimes not a switch, right? Maybe you have a realization, but then it’s not like life is just peachy rainbows for now on. It’s like, no, we’re practicing developing a different side of ourselves. I love that. I love that. Okay. We’ve got that for number three. What’s number four about?

Building a Strong Support System

Yep, yep. Number four is building a strong support system. Building a strong, we’ve talked a little bit about this, but yeah, that’s super, super important. Who you have around you.

Yeah, but how, if you were, if maybe I was a student and I was saying, Hey, Kimberly, I, I get that it’s important, but how can I start over? I’ve got my friends that I’ve made from elementary school. do everything together and I don’t want to give up on them and build a new support. It’s like, how am I supposed to do this? What would you say to that?

Yeah, yeah. Well, you start by looking at the fruit. I say that. You start by looking at the fruit. Start by looking at what have they produced in your life? What have they added to your life? What value have they brought to your life? Additionally, what value have you brought to theirs? Have there been an exchange of that? Do y’all help each other grow or do y’all just help each other stay exactly where y’all is, stay stagnant?

How are they helping you in your life? You can take a real, stop, just stop. Take maybe an hour or two. Write down everybody who you have in your life, the people that you talk to on a regular basis, and really think with the honest view. You have to be honest about it, not what you want them to be or how you want them to be, but just be real, real honest and be like, okay, what have they really done for me? Have they said positive things to me or do they really just talk to me negative in a way?

Do they bring me around drama? Do they stop me from being around drama? Do they let me talk negative about myself or do they stop me and remind me of who I really am? Really take a look at the people that’s in your life and when I say fruit, like what are their actions? Not what they say, but what are they doing? And then you can make a decision on who needs to stay and who needs to leave. Now I’m not saying just kick somebody out. I’m saying, with certain people, if they’re not adding to you, helping you grow, helping you become the person that you really want to be, then that’s when you can start setting boundaries with people. You stop spending as much time with them, right? And then when they see that you’ve grown, they probably ain’t gonna wanna spend time with you anyway, because you’re more mature than they are. You’re doing better things, right? And so just start setting boundaries with people. Setting boundaries with people to tell you who really for you and who really not.

So take a real honest look at the people that’s in your life. Look at their actions, look at their fruit and decide then who needs to stay and who needs to leave.

Love that. And I’m thinking back to when I was in school and I didn’t want to go to a new one because I didn’t want to leave those friends. But quite honestly, I mean, it’s not like we were up to bad news stuff, right? Like we’re kids playing football, wasting time playing board games, which honestly, I just I love all that stuff still. So not much has changed, like recreationally, but I think as we grow up, certain information becomes available about our friends of like, well, they are starting to do this now. And if I continue with it, it’s going to bring me down that path as well. am I strong enough to be the only drug-free sober friend in my friend group? Do I have that confidence? Is that healthy for me?

So I love that you gave us items to kind of check that’s like, all right, if I were to reflect on my friend group and who pours into me and my time, how do they make me feel? What are they creating in my life? What’s the fruit and vice versa? What kind of friend am I? That can be really, really telling. Dang, I love that. What’s number five, fifth key?

Problem Solving: Reacting vs. Responding

All right, let’s get it. Number five is problem solving. Now with this one, I kind of put two parts on here, problem solving, reacting versus responding. And what that is, is like, there’s a difference between how you react to a thing and how you respond to a thing. Sometimes we get mad because we react angry. That’s natural, right? Like you were saying earlier, our emotions are natural. Like things are going to happen where we’re naturally angry about it. We’re naturally anxious about it, right? But we do not have to respond out of that anger. And so we can react in a natural human way. But if we need to step back and not respond out of that, then do that. But that’s how you solve problems. That’s how you stay out of mess and drama, right? You watch how you respond. You’re human, so you’re going to react in a certain way, but don’t respond that

Okay, so is the difference is that the reaction is like your initial thought or feeling or something and then your response is what you do with that? Is that the difference? Okay, that’s cool. So problem solving and reacting and responding. One thing that’s interesting about brain development is that young people’s brain aren’t fully developed until they’re mid-20s. By that time, you’re like a young adult and problem solving is part of that. So my brain goes to, and I don’t know if you have an answer for this or not. You don’t have to. I’m thinking of it myself. How we practice, like how we can practice this because the part of the brain isn’t fully developed from it, but if we have adults around us that help facilitate this practice, can do it more. We can help that part of our brain grow and start to learn to think like that. So I’m curious if you feel like you’ve learned that lesson from a certain experience or a certain way, or if you’ve seen it taught a certain way. Do you have any experience like that?

Yeah, yeah, all of these things, I’ve learned from experience, from lived experience. And so what I would suggest is whenever you have a situation and you feel a negative way about it, don’t respond right then, go somewhere else, right? Walk away from that situation. A lot of times when it comes to problem solving, it all depends on our perception of things.

And so most of the time when we think something’s going on, it’s really not, it’s just how we perceiving it. But it all starts with the conversation. You know what I mean? Like we get into an altercation with somebody. it, depending on how, like how we feel, it’s not necessarily what they actually said to us, right? Like we think somebody says something crazy to us and we’re, we, we running with that in our head. You know how we do, we can run with stuff in our head, right? But instead of having a conversation with them, we just react out of anger.

And so my suggestion would be to first have a conversation because everything is not the way it seems, right? And if you’re not able to have a conversation, walk away until you can.

That’s good. Okay. That puts it in such perspective for me of the. I’m thinking of an example recently. I think it was today or yesterday is someone I follow online who’s in prevention published this amazing research article. He was a guest on our show, Dr. Aaron Weiner, and I’m like, this guy’s so good, such a kind heart, putting out research, protecting kids from addictive substances and someone commented on his thing like, this fake science bull crap or whatever. And I was like, I’m so like, I want to put this guy in his place. And if I had responded in the moment, I would have said something really stupid. Like I would have gone to a level that I would think is not very mature, not very helpful. It doesn’t help him or anybody else. Like was just feeling protective of my friend, right? Or protective of some kind of like our industry and our egos. But I think that’s so common, especially looking back as a young person, you get a text from a friend. If it doesn’t have enough emojis, you think they hate you or if it doesn’t, if they didn’t say yes to something you wanted, you think they’re not your friend anymore. And you’re like, all right, well, I’m not.

My reaction was, man, my stomach feels hot and I’m embarrassed or whatever. Well, my response is I’m going to give it 15 minutes or I’m going to answer tomorrow or whatever, or I’m going to talk to someone else first. Maybe your brother or sister or your parents, say, what do you think about this? And then, like you said, bring it to them, talk it out. It’s such a valuable lesson. And like you said, or like your point is to learn how to problem solve.

There’s a problem. Don’t react. Let’s think about how we’re going to respond. I love those. That’s cool. So you do, do you do keynotes and workshops on this or how do you, how do you teach this stuff?

Yeah, yeah, I do both. do 45 minute to 90 minute keynotes and I do anywhere from 90 minute to like a full day workshops as well. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

That’s great. Well, I would love you took us through your five step process. I appreciate that. Everyone loves these formulas and processes, which super helpful. If people want to learn more about what you’re up to, Kimberly, and maybe even bring you to their group conference, school coalition, where can they find out more about you?

Yeah, so my website is kimberlyclarkspeaks.com and I’m on all social media platforms as Kimberly Clark Speaks Teens. Okay, teens, like teenagers at the end. Yeah, teens, T-E-E-N-S, yeah, teenagers. Yeah.

Okay, perfect. Awesome. Clark Speaks Teams. And then also kimberlyclarkspeaks.com. Awesome. Well, Kimberly, if you wouldn’t mind, I’m going to ask you just one parting piece of guidance for anybody who’s working with youth right now. What’s something that you’d like to encourage them by or to share one last piece of advice about working with young people and helping them make healthy choices. And then we’ll say goodbye.

Absolutely, absolutely. Just to remember that we were young too, right? And our emotions are all over the place. And so like to give them grace and to remember like to help them shift their mindset, but also give yourself grace too. It takes a special person to work in a field that we work in, right? We really have to love this. And because we love teenagers, it’s important for us to give ourselves some grace too, for sure.

That’s fantastic. For those of you who listening to the Drug Prevention Power Hour, this has been another awesome episode. I would say for this one, if there’s a young person you’re connected with that you want to give them the five keys to resilience.

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